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 Posting #1: Wed Jul 26th, 2006 11:16

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I have blogged on this stock before.

http://whereiszemoola.blogspot.com/2006/04/reminiscences-of-stock-mumbler-ii.html

Kind of long article, so here is the snippet of what I wrote.


Look at some of the reasonings made by Dynaquest to justify their buy recommendation...
  1. Low PE multiple 8.1x.
  2. DIY of 2.33% nett
  3. Current price of 1.29 at 3-year low
  4. Growth stock: (5-Yr: 5.31% & 10-Yr: 11.25%).
* Some reasons not to buy?

1. Ze debt issue. See how Dynaquest analyst IGNORED the issue about the massive build-up in debts... debts went from 44.89million to rm194 million? Ah.. remember how some argued that borrowings is needed to finance growth? And that in order to stay on top of the game, further capital expansion and continued spending on research is needed.

On the other hand, the argument is simply on how prudent the management is. No one has said that capital expansion is bad or said that borrowing is bad... but... there should a limit on how much a company should spend. By being too aggressive capital expansion could be deemed reckless. One cannot use capital expansion as an excuse. There is a saying that one should only buy a hat that fits their head.

Ahh... such classical arguments... anyway... Dynaquest argued that the proposed rights issue by Yung Kong would help lessen this debt issue in the near future.

2. Low PE. I have always argued that the PE only reflects how the stock is trading in the market when gauged against its earnings. It states NOT about the quality of the stock. Simply put.. not all low PE stocks would equate to a great investment.

3. DIY of 2.33%... err.... not terribly exciting isn't it?

4. Trading at a 3 year low? Waahh... does that justifies an investment?

5. Growth stock? The following table highlights Yung Kong track record. Where is the growth? All I see is a very inconsistent company.




And the below chart posted in my blog, showed Yung Kong tumbling down..

 



 

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 Posting #2: Wed Jul 26th, 2006 11:21

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Yung Kong just announced it's earnings... and it did not lose money.

YUNG KONG GALVANISING INDUSTRIES BHD
Quarterly rpt on consolidated results for the financial period ended 30/6/2006


LOL!!...

sooo.. i thought it's only correct that I post a note on it.

And oh... here is Yung Kong's current chart...

 

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Last edited on Wed Jul 26th, 2006 11:21 by Moolah

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 Posting #3: Wed Jul 26th, 2006 13:02

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I believe that this is such a good case study. let me-paste again and I will add in new comments in blue.


Look at some of the reasonings made by Dynaquest to justify their buy recommendation...

  1. Low PE multiple 8.1x.
  2. DIY of 2.33% nett
  3. Current price of 1.29 at 3-year low
  4. Growth stock: (5-Yr: 5.31% & 10-Yr: 11.25%).
* Some reasons not to buy? => look at the above. What the writer from Dynaquest did was he based the buy reasoning on yardsticks. And the reasonings were simply flimsy.

1. Ze debt issue. See how Dynaquest analyst IGNORED the issue about the massive build-up in debts... debts went from 44.89million to rm194 million? Ah.. remember how some argued that borrowings is needed to finance growth? And that in order to stay on top of the game, further capital expansion and continued spending on research is needed. => some have argued that debt is needed for capex. True. But at end results, like Yung Kong and also my favourite, Mieco, has simply proved that to ass-u-me that such a capex is good is simply hazardous to the investor. Remember what might be good for the company might not be good for the investor!

On the other hand, the argument is simply on how prudent the management is. No one has said that capital expansion is bad or said that borrowing is bad... but... there should a limit on how much a company should spend. By being too aggressive capital expansion could be deemed reckless. One cannot use capital expansion as an excuse. There is a saying that one should only buy a hat that fits their head. => how true is the statement in red!

Ahh... such classical arguments... anyway... Dynaquest argued that the proposed rights issue by Yung Kong would help lessen this debt issue in the near future.

2. Low PE. I have always argued that the PE only reflects how the stock is trading in the market when gauged against its earnings. It states NOT about the quality of the stock. Simply put.. not all low PE stocks would equate to a great investment. => Remember a low PE stock does NOT make the stock good.

3. DIY of 2.33%... err.... not terribly exciting isn't it? =>True? Look at the price of Yung Kong versus its DIY. Remember when Dynaquest wrote that article, Yung Kong was trading around 1.29.

4. Trading at a 3 year low? Waahh... does that justifies an investment? => Same issue with low PE right? And to use 'trading at a 3 year low' as an excuse to buy the stock for investment is never a sure win thingy!!!

5. Growth stock? The following table highlights Yung Kong track record. Where is the growth? All I see is a very inconsistent company. => This one.. Dynaquest writer should simply be shot!!!! Where was the growth?

And last but not least.... same with Wallstraits calling buy on stocks... when folks like Dynaquest or iCapital say buy... should you? Look at Yung Kong. Look at Mieco.

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 Posting #4: Fri Oct 27th, 2006 12:46

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Ok..

Yung Kong announced their earnings...  again.. the earnings are so razor thin...

but...

is this the turnaround one is seeking for??

 

   Yung Kong Galvanising Industries Bhd (7020.KU) - Malaysia
   3rd quarter ended Sep. 30:
   Figures are in Ringgit (MYR).

                                 2006               2005
Revenue                MYR105,413,000      MYR74,151,000
Pretax Profit               4,258,000         (1,367,000)
Net Profit                  2,629,000         (1,214,000)
Earnings Per Share           4.03 Sen          (1.86 Sen)
Dividend                      Omitted            Omitted

   9 months ended Sep. 30:

Revenue                   275,730,000        217,950,000
Pretax Profit               1,230,000          3,754,000
Net Profit                    (78,000)         2,133,000
Earnings Per Share          (0.12 Sen)          3.28 Sen
Dividend                      Omitted            Omitted

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 Posting #5: Wed Oct 31st, 2007 10:27

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Again i ask... isn't this a turnaround one is seeking?

    Yung Kong Galvanising Industries Bhd (7020.KU) - Malaysia
   3rd quarter ended Sep. 30:
   Figures are in Ringgit (MYR).

                                 2007               2006
Revenue                MYR115,625,000     MYR105,413,000
Pretax Profit               6,011,000          4,258,000
Net Profit                  4,243,000          2,629,000
Earnings Per Share           6.51 Sen           4.03 Sen
Dividend                      Omitted            Omitted

   9 months ended Sep. 30:

Revenue                   329,089,000        275,730,000
Pretax Profit              14,186,000          1,230,000
Net Profit                  9,468,000            (78,000)
Earnings Per Share          14.53 Sen          (0.12 Sen)
Dividend                      Omitted            Omitted

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 Posting #6: Wed Oct 31st, 2007 10:39

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Wahh.. 2% margin.. You sneeze and it's gone.. :p

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 Posting #7: Wed Oct 31st, 2007 10:40

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Here's an interesting thingy...

1. Remember the thingy about business suffering a setback?

Should one hold or should one sell first?

Now if one had held on, this is how the stock has performed... the bug on the picture, indicates 2005...



not a good sight eh?

Just imagine if one had taken the option to sell first...

Anyway... the turnaround has been happening for 3 quarters already...

Remember how it was argued that one MIGHT miss out on the opportunity?

Well... Yung Kong now has reported 3 quarters of earnings turnaround (do note - very important.. i DID NOT look at the quality of the earnings, ok?), so is too late if one decides to buy this stock say tomorrow? ( not a buy call hor!)

just for the record... Yung Kong closed today at 0.98.

 

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Oh another thing...

this is in regars of WFC (waiting for confirmation) of earnings turnaround and the share price. As you can see, earnings has turned around since July 2007.

I could have used those traded share price of Yung Kong then... but I will not. Instead, I am using this third quarterly earnings turnaround share price of 98 sen as my guide. ok?

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 Posting #9: Wed Oct 31st, 2007 11:03

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Yes earnings has turnaround but balance sheet and cashflow has deteriorated with higher gearing.

Do more confirmation to test whether the better earnings is it real ?

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 Posting #10: Wed Oct 31st, 2007 12:14

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LOL!!!

Yes, Random, as STATED in the old postings... this company has rather razor thing margins mah (as stated CLEARLY almost a year ago on Oct 27th 2006)

 

ps.. i still have not seen its earnings notes yet.

ps/ps... obviously some love to twist!

ps/ps/ps... do see the concerns posted about the stock

ps/ps/ps/ps... this posting is all about stating the fact that there is a turnaround in YungKong's earnings.

ps/ps/ps/ps/ps... since I had criticised YungKong's earnings b4.. and since on the issue of YKong's earnings turnaround is there... can i deny that it's not happening?

ps/ps/ps/ps/ps... Surely i have to state the fact? Right?

ps/ps/ps/ps/ps/ps... Quality of earnings needs to be examined. Maybe my brains too. (hey, now past 7 pm woh! :rolleyes: )

ps/ps/ps/ps/ps/ps/ps.. Do i need to disclose that i do not own this stock?

ps/ps/ps/ps/ps/ps/ps/ps.. wtf, do you realise i got my cousin bull's ps thingee... so what the heck is ps? (please sing? - surely you miss my singing, yes? :blush: )

ps/ps/ps/ps/ps/ps/ps/ps/ps.. so how many ps already?


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